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. which candidate has the better energy plan in your view? >> well, obama has no energy plan. he talks about energy a little bit. he never has a plan. romney has a good plan, and i believe romney will carry it out. that all the people that have run for president since nixon, republican and democrat, have always said elect me and we'll be energy independent. romney has not said that. he has said with a north american alliance, that we can bring together mexico, canada, and the united states, and we can be energy independent using all of north america. but that's good because they're good neighbors. we work well together. all that can be accomplished, but romney is realistic about a plan. his plan is use our own resources. >> and we know that's a job creator. do you think he has a shot to win the election? >> oh, i think he will win the election. i think he has energy as a big component. there are 30 states in the united states now that produce energy. when i went in the energy business a long, long time ago, there was only nine states. there are 30 states now. so millions of jobs are cr
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